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I think when it comes to this kind of fine comparison for finer technical playability and feel- measurements might give a clue to begin your comparison, but the only way to know would be to personally play and touch them side by side.
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If you want a deeper, better projection unplugged, I would personally go with the Yamaha A3R because of the Rosewood. However, since you already have a "heart" for the Takamine , I would not want to steer you away from it as you will not be disappointed in that decision at the lower price point. Great info, thanks for clarifying the differences between the two, and I know that I can't really go wrong with either one.
That said, although I've played piano and keyboards for decades I'm newer to the guitar so "ease to play" is the second most important criteria. I've read that some people think the Tak is almost like an electric in terms of how the neck, string set up and fretboard is, so in theory easier to play. If you have played both, how would you compare them in that regard? BTW, although I do like the "look" of the Tak better, I would not hesitate to buy the A3R if the sound and playability especially unplugged has an edge.
Hi Brian, playability will probably come with the action set a little lower on the Takamine EFSC , but since I do not have them side-by-side, I do not know. The nut width width of the neck at the nut near the head is within 0. From the factory, sometimes, it is possible that either guitar will need to be adjusted slightly to suit your specific preference on the string set height from the fingerboard. I have not bought a guitar to date that I have not fiddled a little with the truss rod or the saddle in order to get the exact feel I want.
Fortunately, both guitars have adjustable truss rods and you can sand the saddle if desired. Dan DeFur not verified. There are so many conflicting stories concerning the saddle on this guitar. Does the bottom have a slight concave or not? My action is a bit high on the saddle end and I want to sand the saddle down a bit but I have read that there is a problem with the string loudness if you sand the saddle flat, do you or anyone have the facts on this?
Hi Dan, I have not heard about the saddle being concave. I also cannot find the information on any Yamaha Site as to whether it is concave or flat. Regardless, sanding it down a bit should not affect the string loudness, however, it is best to have a professional adjust this for you in a local shop if you are not sure.
What happens is if a person sands the saddle down too low, they cannot strum the strings as hard without string buzz, and therefore the strings cannot be strummed as hard. This is why I do it a little at a time when I do adjust a saddle by sanding. If the string action is too high for you, it can be adjusted slightly and in increments until you are comfortable.
Hope this helps and I hope I understood your question accurately. If you do decide to buy the Yamaha AC3R concert size you will not be disappointed. Let us know what you decide if you get a chance to come back to the site. It is no problem to sand it down and form it like it is meant to be by sanding it only in the middle region on the edge of a table for example. But, to my confusion, the review about the srt-system is wrong. There is no built-in microphone in the SRT-system. Otherwise it would be impossible to switch between the different microphone-characteristics.
Also, there is no feedback-problem when using the microphone-simulation. This can clearly be seen in the paperwork that comes with the guitars in fact: Nevertheless, the electronics are pretty good, and the unplugged-sound of the guitar is much better than you would exspect for the price. Thank you Michi, After reviewing, I was aware of the modeling, but was sure there was a condenser.
The fact that there is never any feedback from the condenser might be a clue. However, condensers can also be processed and have modeling processed after the signal and before the output, but I am sure you are correct on the Yamaha A3R. Martin Sundland not verified. Very good value for ca. Originally, I thought they were American crafted. However, after more thorough review and also phone calls to Yamaha corporation, I believe the entire guitar was designed and engineered in the USA, but they teamed up with their manufacturing team in China to produce them.
What I would recommend is buying one off of Amazon. Sometimes they suffer through shipping as do all instruments, but once you get one of these Yamaha A3Rs that are set up with decent string height, it will sound great for sure!
Svetlin Staikov not verified. Thank you Svetlin for your kind comment! A lot went into this review and I am glad you appreciate it! Dave Warren not verified. This was absolutely the most comprehensive review I have seen concerning the "A Series" Yamaha guitars. I had already learned the differences between the "1" and "3" models, but it took several articles and reviews to get the particulars of each guitar straight. What I found most informative in your article was the in depth description of the SRT system.
You did a far better job than even the Yamaha website. Thanks for your efforts! I am glad this helped you. It was a lot of work, believe me! Part of the reward is having people like you read and reply and actually get some help and clarity on any guitar I review. That is why I started this years ago, because I had friends who were going to pay too much for a guitar just because of the name. I led him to another guitar in the same price range that was at least 3 times better quality!
Thanks for sharing, Dave. Thanks for your question! It looks like Yamaha is discontinuing the LL16 from their website, but you can still find a few to import from some other sellers through Amazon. The tonality is going to be very similar, but with the A3R you will pay less and get a great pickup as well.
Both have solid spruce tops, very similar tone woods, but the Yamaha LL16 is a Jumbo design, meaning that the guitar will most likely give more output in the bassy side of an acoustic guitar.
I believe the Yamaha A3R would have a more well balanced tone because of the Dreadnought size, plus it is still in production. Both use the same solid Rosewood for back and sides, so the overtones will be similar except for the more bassy projection with the LL16 based on the jumbo body shape and size. What I would recommend is ordering either one from Amazon. If it does not meet your desire, I would return it for a refund and order the other one.
I doubt you will be disappointed in either one, but it appears from most sellers you will pay more for the LL16, when you are essentially getting the same craftsmanship, just a little different body size and EQ balance. Let us know if you have a chance to buy one and compare! Joe Olivieri not verified. The most complete report on the Yamaha A series guitar. Helped me a lot in choosing the AC3R over other brands. Victor, Thanks for your comment!
It was a lot of work but I am glad so many people are being helped in their decision about this guitar, whether they decide to purchase it or not! Wow, what a great review. I was so impressed that I am trying to get a local dealer to get a Yamaha A3R in so that I can actually put my hands on it. I am not telling the dealer but I am almost certain to buy it.
I was wondering if you would also make a recommendation on an amp to use with the A3R. I do not play in public very much so this would be primarily for in-home use. I am a finger style picker that plays mostly to accompany my singing. Neither my picking or singing is very good but I love doing it. Thanks for the great detailed review of the Yamaha A series and thanks in advance for any recommendations you might have for an amp.
That's a great question - for that price point you're going to get the most options from a solid state amp. Please read through my 2 part article on " how to choose a guitar amp part 1 " and " how to choose a guitar amp part 2 ".
These 2 articles go into some depth on explaining different kinds of amp technology, cabinets, etc. Aaron, Thank you so much for all the helpful information. My dealer is getting the A3R in tomorrow. I can't wait to get my hands on it. I read both parts of your article on "How to choose a guitar amp". I will be trying both of those amps if my dealer has them and will definitely post back here with my experiences. Don that's awesome and I'm excited for you! Please, when you pick your amp, please come back and post on the comments on one of the amp pages so that conversation and your feedback stays with the amp pages that will help people more who are looking for the right amp!
Thanks so much for the review! I just ordered a quality used A3R for my son based on this review. I hope my son loves it!
I spent all day reading other reviews of it and listening to youtube demos. Kevin- that's great to hear. I am sure he'll love this guitar! If you get a chance, come on back and let us know how he is enjoying it! Thanks again for posting - Aaron. I had every intention of buying an A3R around this time last year. The local store small town had several A series on hand so I played all of them for 5 mins each. I picked the one the sounded the best of course which happened to be an A3M.
They all sounded great but there's always that one just for you. I loved the series so much I was able to get my hands on a A6R so now I have the best of both tone worlds. Thanks for sharing your feedback. Yes- I find that the A3M M is for Mahogany is great for a punchy guitar sound with more emphasis in the mid-range where as having the A3R R is for Rosewood gives it a bigger sound because more bass resonates from the overtones of the Rosewood.
I totally agree that there is one that is right for each player and I might add each playing condition! Take care and thanks for the comments again. Sorry to hear about the financial crisis.
I think everyone at some point goes through one or more of those in their life if they live long enough. We've certainly had our ups and downs in our family. It's a lot of information so it is easy to mix them up, especially when many companies use a "C" or "CE" in the model to express "Cutaway" or "Cutaway Electric". I have reviewed the http: The irony is that I haven't been able to physically hold or play a Yamaha A series guitar as all of the vendors in my area do not stock them regularly, although they can special order it within 5 days or I can order it online on my own.
Of all the material that I have reviewed including Yamaha's site I could not find anything on the physical size difference between the dreadnought vs. Do you or anyone out there know the dimensions i.
The body Depth front to back of all the full dreadnought models without the "C" slope from to MM. Since they are nowhere to be found on their site for bout and shoulder width- I will write or call Yamaha and post it here later. Thanks for seeing the missing info, Rick! I purchased this model a couple weeks ago. I was looking for a cutaway and a good plugged in sound. Over all I am happy with the sound plugged in. There are a good variety of settings for different tones.
Good volume without feedback. The body sound is responsive to to hard playing which I like. The fit and finish is very good. I have a couple issues. The battery box started rattling. Some tape and tissue on the batteries themselves seems to have quelled that. The way the ease the sides of the fret board and frets seems to reduce the neck width. My Low e was to close to the edge and would slip off the fret board often.
I found a similar complaint on another site. Gave the truss rod a tweak for more bow. Used some fine sandpaper on the back of the neck for a slicker baby smooth feel. I like the way it plays now. Like I said the fit and finish was great. Happy for the price but wish the neck was slightly wider.
As many of these guitars that are distributed, there's always going to be a few that are slightly in need of adjustment. Sounds like you have some specific customizations but obviously you are very pleased with the final value!
I have an A3R and get a bit of fret buzz from strings 5 and 6. I'm curious as to the string height others have their A series guitars set at. Mine is approximately 0.
I'm using strings. Chase- string buzz can be eliminated with some of the slightest changes. If you filed or sanded the saddle or nut, you might want to try getting a new one or putting a thin shim under the nut on the 5th and 6th string end kind of tapered. If that doesn't fix it, you might want to try taking it to a luthier as there are very minor inconsistencies in even the most expensive guitars and it might also require light sanding of 1 or more fret wires which I would not mess with but give to a professional.
Let us know if you resolve it! There is no mic in it. It is just very sharp modelling of the sound of a miked guitar using the piezo as a basis. When I first wrote this post, it was unclear to me and the more research I have done, the more I realized that each model in the A-series has been professionally recorded. When you blend over to the mic, and choose the different mic modeling, it is, indeed, a micro-processor that has all of the authentic sounds modeled and stored digitally within the pickup.
So although there is no direct condenser, it will blend based on the studio modeling and the model of the body style of each A series guitar, giving you more than 1 mic - but essentially 3 professional mics in multiple positions.
Edward Meardon not verified. I agree with your evaluation of the A3R. I just purchased it online as my local store didn't carry it and am as pleased as can be with it. It's brighter than my Martin 17M but not as bright as a Taylor , and more condusive to singing along with because I understand that it's not competing with your voice at the same frequencies. It also sounds great plugged in! I just put some D'Addario EXP17 Phosphor Bronze Medium strings on it, and it's not quite as brilliant bright as with the original strings which is what I like, as I'm a strummer, not a finger picker.
The SRT pickup system is great, as you can dial it to the sound that you like the best. Kelvin Chui not verified. Roberto Rodriguez not verified. The guitar sounds amazing plugged, and un-plugged, it has a lot of middle range sound in my opinion, and little bass sound cause in part by the thin body of the Apx , my question in your experience is, is there a lot of diference of sound between a roosewood solid back and sides and laminated flamed maple, specially in bass sounds?
Thanks in advance for your answer. Best Regards from Argentina. Hi Roberto, Thanks for sharing your experience and your questions! That being said, they are going to be similar in quality at a similar price point. I thought the APX was discontinued but there is conflicting info on the Yamaha website.
Anyways -there will be a big difference between Rosewood and Flame Maple to an experienced player, and anyone who has a decent ear. The rigidity of the maple and the hardness of it, as well as the "oval" shaped sound hole in the APX series will definitely give a punchy mid-range tone, so you will not get as wide of an EQ response from the body as you would with a thicker body and from Rosewood because it does not have as much bass expression for a tonewood. The difference is significant!
Years ago a friend of mine had a Larrivee that had a solid flame maple back and sides, and the biggest difference I could hear and feel when playing was how little bass projection comes from flame maple, and how much more warmth and boomy bass comes from a solid Rosewood guitar body. His guitar was very vibrant and responsive, but definitely dominated in the mid range.
My preference is Rosewood because, in my opinion, it is always easier to compress the natural sound from an acoustic guitar than it is to try to get more expression that is not there naturally from the tonewoods. Rosewood is the choice of a lot of pros, but not across the board. A lot of bluegrass players and some rock players will tend toward Mahogany or flame maple because it punches through and does not express much in the low or bass end because of the tonewood.
Punchiness with flame maple and Mahogany are great when you are playing with a group acoustically because the sound is more compressed and brighter. The sound from Rosewood will definitely sound warmer, bigger and have more "boom" to it simply because of the tonewood, all else being equal body size, style, strings, same bracing etc. The APX should be great for performance and the thinner body depth will make it perhaps a bit easier to wield for some.
In addition, the concert style contour, slimmer waist will tend to give the guitar more "bell-like" tonality when finger-picked. My preference will always be Rosewood and I prefer the deeper body of the full dreadnought. Both the AC3R and the APX have the concert style body with the slimmer waist which some people find easier to hold, especially when seated.
Hi Aaron, thank you very much for your answer, I really appreciated, Now I have clear the differences between sounds from roosewood and flamed maple, but, as I understand they exists when the guitar is un-plugged. In these models that would be mostly correct because the option switch for mic sounds of the pickup are studio samples not a true mic of your performance - but pre-recorded and stored in the pickup. However, there might be some slight differences in the brightness of the piezo.
In other words, a quality studio condenser microphone will definitely pick up the differences when recording in a studio or using a mic live through the air versus the pickup, just like your ear would. Many people cannot hear the difference, but most guitar players with any experience can definitely hear the difference. It all depends on how you plan to use it. Jim Sims not verified. The SRT 63 system with simulated microphone options sounds similar to the Fishman Aura system used in Zager guitars, do you know anything about Zager guitars?
I am re-learning guitars from the ground up I have a 35 year old Ovation balladeer and a few others I have bought in the last 60 days to work on and with. Thanks for any info on ZAD's and the great review on Yamaha. Thanks for your kind words. It was a lot of work testing and researching and writing about these guitars.
Having the right pickup is everything in my opinion. I went through some bad ones in college and wasted money on pickups that didn't hack it, before I knew anything about pickup technology. While I do not know much about Zager guitars, I am always looking to get my hands on something new to be able to write about it. If you have a review or experience with a great guitar, feel free to share it with me and I will see where I can post it on the site!
Bill Dallier not verified. Thanks man, I wish more reviewers would get into the specifics as you have in this article. As a gigging musician for many decades now I am always on the look out for an instrument that not only sounds and plays great but will also take the rigors of the road. It isn't worth the time, effort or money to go out and buy a high end guitar that you know is going to take some knocks and also there is the threat of theft. It happens more than you think. Besides living in Canada it is hard for me to justify the cost of a solid wood Taylor.
I've tried a few Larrivees but they don't suit my hand. In Canada in order to get solid back and sides you looking at That's unrealistic especially when in my case I use 2 dreadnoughts, a 12 string and a Yamaha silent on stage. My go to guitars have been Takamine's for years now but I have to tell you the Yamaha silent is awesome for full band live work. Maybe you could do a review on the new series. I have purchased one and it now stands proudly in the spot where my recently retired from gigging Tak.
ENc stood for years. For what it's worth in my humble opinion the A3 series is the deal of the decade in flat top all solid wood guitars. Right from the first strum my A3R played like butter and sounded like it had been played in smokey clubs for years.
On another note the A3R takes well to being tuned in other keys like open a and f. Now if they'd just make a 12 string silent I'd be completely set. Thanks for taking the time to share this much detail! I agree on the Yamaha A3R and A Series guitars - as I stated, I wish they had this model and pickup technology when I was in College back in the early s, because I would have grabbed it right away! As for the Yamaha Silent, I actually did already write up a review, but it is on the same page as 4 other travel guitar reviews that I did a while back.
I did not go into as much depth, but there's enough there to help steer people in the right direction. Agreed that they Yamaha Silent guitars are pretty awesome too, but being that they are not true acoustic guitars, that might steer a few people away, those who want the sound and feel of real tonewoods.
That being said, the Yamaha Silent guitars are pretty awesome for the price and the ability to play silent, plugged in for performance or recording, or for travel! Thanks again for sharing your experience. I came across you impeccable review of the SRT system and your heroic follow up on all the comments!
Part of my indecision is I can't get my hands on an AC5R to actually test out. But it's the old electronics. Now through your review I have learned that the new SRT system is actually mic simulation and not an actual mic in conjunction with the piezo pickup. My dream has always been to have a guitar that apart from a piezo pickup has some mic system to pic up the actual wood and air vibration. I guess what I am asking is, do you have any experience with the CPX or in terms of their sound as solid bodies, size, playability and electronics in comparison to the AC5R?
Have you ever come across another guitar that has a built in actual mic and piezo system like the CPX? Hi Henrik, Thanks for posting and sharing your question. I have a few questions concerning your purchase.
You brought up the fact that the SRT system Studio Response Technology in the Yamaha A series guitars is a modeled, recorded sound, which was hard to figure out during my research.
The sound you will get from an A-Series guitar plugged in will be authentic, acoustic tone, although it is modeled with different mic settings, and not an actual microphone sound coming from your guitar. The sound is authentic and from some people's opinions, a bit lacking in the "gain" or loudness. The CPX series that use the ART pickup technologies do not have microphone modeling or condenser mics in their pickup at all. They use a 2 pickup system, one that is an under-the-saddle piezo and one that is a layered vibration sensing pickup that is supposed to transfer the tonewood vibrations and replicate the acoustic sound from the wood.
The short-coming of this is that, while it may pick up the vibration differences between models, the subtle overtones created by tonewoods will not be heard, as they are detected through the air when using a condenser microphone. I think your answer will come down to which guitar feels better to you, and which one sound better for your most common use scenario.
I hope this helps! Jerry Fredy Rodricks not verified. I am from India. I have been researching like crazy to zero on an electro acoustic guitar but to no avail. Your article was like mana from heaven. I really appreciate the trouble you have gone through to write such a comprehensive,clear cut article on Yamaha 'A' series for folks like us. One cobweb still lingers in my mind after reading all the confusing articles in 'You tube' prior to reading your excellent article.
The new 'A' series has the new upgraded SRT2 system. Therefore which is a better buy? I am planning to get one of them from the US for Christmas.
Thanking you in advance. Jerry, thank you for bringing this up. As you can probably believe, it is difficult to keep up with all the advancements these companies are continuing to push in their guitars. Thanks again for bringing this up.
It's readers like you that point out new things as well as find small errors that help me to refine the reviews for everyone to make informed purchase decisions! I will look in to it asap. I have updated the review above to show the complete details of the SRT original preamp with mic modeling and the SRT 2 system 4 knobs. The other difference is that this review covers the older Yamaha A3 series, whereas the SRT 2 systems are in the newer Yamaha A3 series, and the new Yamaha A5 series, which I have yet to review.
So in order to get the old SRT with mic model blenders, you have to purchase an older A3 model. If you are satisfied with the differences in the new SRT2 sleek designs and a few things they took out, the new A3 and A5 series will serve you very well!
I hope to tackle that in the next month or 2. Thanks for reading and asking! In other words, the SRT1 allowed you to model 2 mic setups- a focus setup meaning 1 close mic vs.
My comments will be embedded here to show the contrast between the 2 systems in parentheses and afterward. You can select two different mic types to choose the optimal sound for your playing style and for the song you are performing. Treble Control Level adjustments for the high frequency treble range.
Push this button to activate the AFR. The system automatically detects the frequency causing feedback and applies a dB notch filter. Press this switch to select the mic type used in the SRT function.
The SRT 2 is a sleeker design, showing only 4 modest knobs instead of the rectangular preamp in the side of the guitar body. The SRT2 does not appear to have a "doubled" mic location option for picking up either a focused single near mic and wide setup both single near mic and distant second mic.
Where the SRT original has these 3 microphone models available in every preamp, the SRT 2 has only 2 of the 3 mic models depending on whether you purchase the Rosewood or the Mahogany. Essentially, Rosewood is a deeper, more bassy, richer sounding wood and they modeled the mics to match the wood's natural tone and overtones. Mahogany is essentially a more mid and treble range tonewood, expressing much less in the bass EQ than Rosewood, so they matched the mics more suitable to the Mahogany overtones.
However, the Neumann KM56 has a more punchy sound for bluegrass and flat-picking. Ultimately, it will come down to whether you like Rosewood vs. Mahogany, and whether you can deal without having a digital tuner onboard. I believe with 2 mic simulation options, you will still be able to get a complete range of dynamic tones and overtone combinations from either the SRT or the SRT2.
Also- the aesthetics of the SRT2 are 4 simple, sleek knobs that are not as much of an eye-sore to some. The SRT original reveals the entire preamp body installed on the side of the guitar, showing all of the electronics.
When I discovered this line from Yamaha, I jumped into it because of 3 great things 1 price range, 2 quality of construction and the Rosewood option 3 and the on-board microphone blender in the SRT studio response technology I usually keep comments turned off for most reviews because of the amount of spam I deal with, but your simple note of gratitude deserves a post.
Thank you for taking the time to write to me! Hi Rick, I am not sure about the case, but see Steve's comment below. It is a hiscox case with yamaha written on it. I have read your reviews on acoustic electric guitars and was impressed by your review on the Yamaha A3R with the SRT preamp system.
I am planning to purchase another acoustic electric guitar with good built-in preamp system and have narrowed down to Yamaha brand. I have read from other websites where people who bought this LL series have also mentioned that if Yamaha could have incorporate an active preamp system into the "LL" series. As I performed and sing with my acoustic electric guitar on stage and in churches, I need a guitar with a good active preamp system so that I would be able to set the sound on the guitar.
I was also shown model LLX16 with the latest A. Although I like System 63 SRT Pickup system on this guitar very much as it has plenty of personal preference settings, I found that the overall sound of the guitar is not as full especially the bass as compared with the LLX16 both unplugged and plugged into the amplifier.
Furthermore, the A3R and other A3 series have been selling in Singapore since either Year or All the Yamaha models that I mentioned above are with solid Spruce top and solid Rosewood back and sides. I enquired with them as to whether Yamaha would be coming up with new models incorporating a good active preamp system like the System 63 SRT pickup and was told that they have no information from Yamaha head office.
I have also asked them if they could provide me with Yamaha Japan head office email address as I want to write to them but was told that they do not have any. As you are living in the US, I wonder whether Yamaha has introduced new models in the US which might not be available in Singapore yet and do you or dealers in the US who sells Yamaha guitars , have any email address of Yamaha Japan head office that I could write to.
As for new models coming out in the USA, I am also not sure. Hello, I am left handed. HI Jeannie, great question and I answered that thoroughly above if you check this post here- http: Hi, the saddle in my AC3R is slightly concave. I'll post your comment on this, although I would like to keep this conversation limited to the Yamaha A Series so readers don't get overwhelmed.
Sometimes, these comments also come from marketers from a rival company, but I cannot verify this and the guitar you mention is a solid model, though I have not played or reviewed it yet. Boby, Thanks for stopping by. Thank you for the amazing review! Hi Mike, Thanks for your question! Thanks again for asking. With EasyLiveTrade everyone can become professional trader, and earn good Profit. Also gives advanced features like sound alert, pop-up Windows and scanner. The Intraday trading software is the complete day trading strategy system.
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